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Post by TA on Dec 16, 2003 16:36:05 GMT -5
This the language in the Bill that has just passed the State of Ohio House and Senate.
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"A permit holder would be able to carry a loaded handgun in a motor vehicle if the handgun is in a holster on the permit holder’s person and in plain sight or the handgun is securely encased in a locked compartment or case. Different standards for carrying a loaded handgun if a child under age 18 is in the motor vehicle are eliminated."
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Is any other State like this? It also went on to say that you may not touch the gun unless instructed by a LEO to do so. If you do it is a felony. How do you get out of car at the grocery store where you will now have to conceal the gun? That sounds screwed up to me, but it is better than nothing, I guess.
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Post by Callahan on Dec 16, 2003 19:36:23 GMT -5
Hard to believe they would write in language requiring open carry in the concealed handgun law. Doesn't sound logical at all. In Texas, you are are required to keep the weapon concealed at all times.
The only thing I could find in reference to having a gun in your car was a Department of Public Safety FAQ at oacking.org that said you are considered to be carrying if the gun is on the seat beside you or in the glove box since it is accessible to you. Of course, it is not acutally concealed to someone looking inside your car if it's on the seat beside you. Go figure. I would have to look through the booklet for a definitive answer.
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Post by MLB on Dec 16, 2003 19:38:09 GMT -5
Sounds wacky to me too. Someone isn't understanding some part of 'concealed carry'.
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Post by TA on Dec 16, 2003 19:48:28 GMT -5
The apparent reason for this part of the Bill was to appease the Ohio State Highway Patrol. They were originally against the Bill, but now are neutral with the new language. They were the only major law enforcement organization that was was against the Bill. Gov. Taft said he would veto the bill without full LE support. Now that he has that, he is threatening to veto because he wanted all permit holders information to be available to anybody that wants it and the House said no. It's hard to believe Taft is a Republican.
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Post by TA on Dec 16, 2003 19:51:50 GMT -5
Also, Ohio now has an "open carry" law and I don't believe they are going to repeal that law if the CCW passes. I am sure there will be growing pains with this if it is made law. I just hope there aren't too many sacrificial lambs to make them realize this.
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Post by mikolev on Dec 16, 2003 22:20:21 GMT -5
Move to Georgia, here you can carry a loaded handgun in the glove box or console w/o a liscence of any kind. I'ts nice when your first waiting the 2 to 4 months for your CCW liscence to arrive.
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Post by Flipper on Dec 17, 2003 19:18:24 GMT -5
In N.Y. you can be accused of "brandishing" if a handgun is visible but can ride around in a vehicle with one which is loaded. However in a vehicle longarms must be unloaded while you can hang a 12 gauge in the back window if you feel so inclined. These are the little "fallacious vagaries" that keep lawyers in business.
Then again if you rode around in N.Y.C. with a shotgun in the window they'd pull you over at every traffic light even if the action was wide open. Even the LEO's seem in the dark sometimes.
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Post by Jeffress77 on Dec 20, 2003 3:01:04 GMT -5
These laws are gettting ridiculous and damn near unconstitutional. I can't believe they would expect you to carry a handgun and brandish it at the same time! I live 20 minutes away frim Illinois, The People's Republic of America. They can't even carry any concealed handguns at all, regardless! If that isn't unconstitutiuonal, I don't know what is.
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Post by TA on Dec 20, 2003 17:23:33 GMT -5
It will be interesting (if this passes) to see what Ohio does with the "brandishing" issue vs. "open carry" (which is legal in Ohio). Guys removing their coats in the grocery store parking lot to make their weapon "visible" before entering their car will get the attention of bystanders.
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Post by Data on Dec 22, 2003 15:55:03 GMT -5
It will be interesting (if this passes) to see what Ohio does with the "brandishing" issue vs. "open carry" (which is legal in Ohio). Guys removing their coats in the grocery store parking lot to make their weapon "visible" before entering their car will get the attention of bystanders. Being from an open carry state, we never gave a crap about "bystanders". Hell just the other day we were standing in the Fridays parking lot with the trunk open swapping ammo in plain sight of everyone....(stupid now that I think about it because people get freaked out). In some of the small towns in randolph co in the small restaurants..farmers will come in with their 6 shooters strapped right to their legs. I have gone to the local convenience store several times with the Glock right on my hip. I dont do it anymore because it draws too much "attention", but if someone were to see my shirt lift up and ask me "hey why do you have a gun on your belt" Id say "because If I lay it on the table the waiter will get nervous". |
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Post by Jeffress77 on Dec 24, 2003 4:48:07 GMT -5
DATA, I am with you. When people ask me why I have a gun, I tell them "If every law abiding citizen had a gun there would be no crime. Who would rob, rape, attack, or threat a person, when they knew everyone had a gun?" The answer is NO ONE!
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Post by The Jeffly Has Spoken on Dec 24, 2003 15:29:33 GMT -5
I also live in a state where open carry is legal. When someone asks me why I have a gun- and it's happened once or twice, I carry a full size .45 under my jacket, after all- my response has always been "because I can"
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Post by dubbleakshun on Dec 24, 2003 18:29:14 GMT -5
The only problem with open carry is calls made about "Man With Gun"; it happened to me once, not for carrying, but the fact that I owned a gun. The call was percieved as Man With Gun, and I was greeted by three policemen and three police cars in front of my home. Some new residents to our population are extremely afraid of firearms, the mere sight of a gun sends the fools to screaming bloody murder.
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Post by TA on Dec 25, 2003 0:25:36 GMT -5
There have been " defense walks" in Ohio set up by Ohioans For Concealed Carry. They walk with handguns holstered on their sides through the city streets in an effort to show citizens that it is legal and that a better option would be training, background checks, permits and concealed carry. There is one city on the eastern part of Ohio where the Police Chief told the walkers, " don't think you will get away with this again. Don't bring a gun into MY city." Apparently he thinks he is above State law and the Ohio Supreme Court which recently upheld open carry. It just freaks some people out, even those supposedly familiar with firearms and the law, like LEO's. I bet if I stood outside at the local ice cream stand enjoying a cone with a pistol on my side, it wouldn't take long for the local cops to get the "man with gun" call and me and my gun would probably end up all scratched up. It's sad really.
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Post by The Jeffly Has Spoken on Dec 25, 2003 13:52:04 GMT -5
Maybe it's different in different parts of the country.
My state (Arizona) has a little bit of a reputation for being a very individualistic cowboy state. Seeing someone openly carrying a gun here, although rare, isn't that big a deal. People will get nervous and ask questions, but of the four or five people I know who walk around with a gun strapped to their hip I've never heard of one getting the cops called on them.
The law here is this: You can carry a gun openly if you are legally allowed to own that gun. If you carry it openly in public, it must be loaded with a round chambered, so if you go for that thing the cops WILL shoot.
Obviously most people carry concealed, seeing as we have 65,000 people with permits, but open carry is a pretty common thing out toward the rim and the wilder parts of the state.
I'm glad I live somewhere with a pretty sensible view of firearms. People don't attack someone with a .45 on their hip
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