What's your poison?

[Jonathan]

mikolev said:

Not to ruffle your feathers Jonathan b/c I don't want this to turn into another unpleasant confrontation, but I disagree. Arguing aesthetics is pointless because beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If, however, there is a general consensus on what makes a gun good; accuracy, reliability, etc. among knowledgeable people, than I think that you can make an argument as to which gun is "best". Granted, you can make sub catagories such as "best concealable revolver" etc. , and maybe no one would ever be convinced of the others argument, but I think it can be argued to an extent.

Mikolev

Dude there is no such thing as an actual BEST gun. Go ahead, name your "best gun" and watch how many people here disagree with you.

Look at the Glock. A lot of people here HATE the Glock but there are a great deal of others who own Sigs, Walthers and H&Ks who deem the Glock the great handgun of our time and will debate you their reasons till they're blue in the face.

There is such a thing as a top of the line handgun. I've narrowed the best down to Walther, Sig, Glock and H&K.

Those are the only handguns that I'm interested in and H&K is the last on my list of the bunch.

Go to the Walther guys and they'll tell you that the Walther is best. Go to the Sig guys and they'll tell you that the Sig is best. Go to the Glock guys and they'll tell that the Glock is gods gift to the world.

There is no real best. There is only YOUR best. YOUR best is YOUR preference. YOUR best is your opinion.

There are guys who'll claim that a S&W .357 is the greatest handgun ever built. Who cares. I care about what I love and what I deem best. To each his own I say.

Walther, Sig, Glock and H&K.

Porcshe, Ferrari, Viper, and Bently.

Which would you take? They're all fine cars yet you can't say that one is actually better than the others. One might cost more but I'd take a Porsche over a Bently ANY day of the week without thinking twice about it.

[mikolev]

If one can't make the case that there is a "best", how can anyone say there are "top of the line" guns and exclude others? I'm not saying that any two people would necessarily agree. I'm simply saying that , with a given conscensus of what makes a gun "good", it can be argued.

[Jonathan]

mikolev said:

If one can't make the case that there is a "best", how can anyone say there are "top of the line" guns and exclude others? I'm not saying that any two people would necessarily agree. I'm simply saying that , with a given conscensus of what makes a gun "good", it can be argued.

No you can't because an H&K may be slightly more accurate than lets say a Glock but a Glock is easier to shoot thus making it easier to hit your target thus making it more effective in the long run.

An H&K may cost more to make than lets say a Glock but a Glock can withstand more than an H&K thus making it more durable/reliable.

So which is better? I'd say the Glock but that is my opinion.

Bottom line, you can give a Navy Seal any cheap $200 gun and he'll make more use out of it than your typical civilian with an H&K. Give a Seal a pistol from any of the four makers listed above and I bet they'd be in cloud 99.

[mikolev]

No you can't because an H&K may be more accurate than lets say a Glock but a Glock is easier to shoot thus making it easier to hit your target thus making it more effective in the long run.

A H&K may cost more to make than lets say a Glock and Glock can withstand more than a H&K thus making it more durable/reliable.

Jonathan, you're making the arguments that I'm talking about!...so which is better...people will argue, and of course to an extent it's personal opinion, but these arguments even you stated were based on data that is objective, and that is why, even if no one agrees, it can be argued, while attractiveness is totally subjective.

[Jonathan]

mikolev said:

Jonathan, you're making the arguments that I'm talking about!...so which is better...people will argue, and of course to an extent it's personal opinion, but these arguments even you stated were based on data that is objective, and that is why, even if no one agrees, it can be argued, while attractiveness is totally subjective.

All I'm saying is that once you start talking handguns at the level of Walthers, Sigs, Glocks and H&Ks, it comes down to preference. Because out of THOSE guns not one is A LOT better in ANY catagory than the rest of that bunch. They all pass with flying colors in every catagory.

[mikolev]

To be honest, I still don't know if you got what I'm trying to say, but I think I made my point to anyone else who reads this.

[Jonathan]

mikolev said:

To be honest, I still don't know if you got what I'm trying to say, but I think I made my point to anyone else who reads this.

I know what you're trying to say. You're trying to answer a question that has no real true answer.

One gun may be slightly better in one catagory but slightly worse in another. Do you see my point?

When you talk of something, may it be cars, guns or homes of an extremely high quality level there really is no absolute best.

Because all of those four makers have exceeded the standard of quality by such a significant amount, there really is no getting better. They're ALL great. To say that one GREAT is better than another GREAT is clearly ones own opinion.

[MLB]

Hello Spencer,

Welcome to the forum. Sorry about the rough intro. It is suprisingly unusual on this forum. Stick around, everyone is friendly enough (not to say they won't air thier opinions). But that is what the forum is for isn't it?

About the 'God' thing. That's part of the forum software and is not a reflection on the author. Yours will say new member for a while, and then progress upward with the message count. After 500 messages or so, the 'rank' is 'God.'

So read up, let us know what you think, make use of the resourse. Be safe.

MLB

[Jethro]

MLB.

Thanks for the input. I love this forum and I definately get alot out of reading the different threads. Even this one, which I always check out first, to see who has had the most cups of coffee before posting their replies ;D! But seriously, I have learned more on this forum about handguns in the last 4 months than I have anywhere else in the rest of my life. And I would hate to see someone not take the oppurtunity to access this info because of one bad experience. Does this mean that people shouldn't express their opinions? Heck No!!! That to me is half the fun reading the delicately put preferences. So, for anyone new out there, stick with it, you will be glad you did.

And thank you MLB for the calm in the face of the storm....

[Jethro]

I also see Springfield is up to 4 votes. Excellent!! Because you DO all know that they are the true, correct answer. ;D ;D ;D

[The Paul]

What is it with everyone and picking the "best handgun"? For the last time, THERE IS NO BEST GUN! Period. This has gone on for 6 pages with everyone bickering over how their gun is better than anyother. Is that supposed to make you a gun expert or something. Just let it go. Most people just like how their gun looks. If you shoot good with it great!

Damn......

[tptplayer]

The original poll was "What is your your favorite handgun manufacturer?" I didn't vote because there are too many of them I haven't tried. However, going back to a car metaphor, I prefer the Navigator but bought the Expedition. Sometimes, we make decisions for more reasons than just which is best. The gun manufacturer that we is our favorite makes handguns we can't afford.

[dubbleakshun]

I have yet to read one single legitimate reason, from anyone, why one certain handgun is better than the other. All I've read was a bunch of senseless bickering.When I was growing up, if this came about regarding cars, the arguement would be settled on Friday night at the drag strip.

[Ricochet]

I agree DoubleA, not any real worthwhile info in this thread, but it is interesting that there are stll no votes for Beretta.

[Jonathan]

tptplayer said:

The original poll was "What is your your favorite handgun manufacturer?" I didn't vote because there are too many of them I haven't tried. However, going back to a car metaphor, I prefer the Navigator but bought the Expedition. Sometimes, we make decisions for more reasons than just which is best. The gun manufacturer that we is our favorite makes handguns we can't afford.

I agree with you but at the same time I don't. I'm sure there are people who don't buy the guns they want because of price issues however I'm not one of those people.

You can buy a class A handgun for $500-$1,000. Anything more than $1,000 is really just as collector piece.

Its like cologne...I own colognes that cost over $100. Tom Cruise has a lot more money than myself but he doesn't smell any better than I do. ;D

I'm sure most of us could afford a $2,000 if we really wanted to. I'm not cheap by any means (quite the opposite actually) but I personally don't feel that some guns are worth a signifcant amount over other fine guns.

After all no handgun costs near $2,000 to produce but there are guns that cost that much.