You can't take that thing in there...

[MLB]

You would think that it would be relatively easy to get a definitive answer on exactly what types of places are off limits, even with a concealed carry permit.

I got a copy of the NY State firearms law. School grounds are a codified no-no. Good. There's one place.

Depending on who you ask, other places are off limits too. airports, federal buildings, banks, (ok so far, makes sense) bars, restaurants that serve alchohol, the list goes on.

Do other states have something more solid to go by? I sent an email to the state police but haven't heard back from them for a month or so.

[HogRider]

Try this site and look for New York. It's the only web site that I know of, that covers that stuff.

Seems like every state has it's own regulations besides the federal ones.

www.packing.org/

[MLB]

Packing.org was very useful. That's where I got the NYS Law. I was suprised that only school grounds were specifically noted there.

Maybe there is a federal law that applies...

[havensal]

Did you look on th BATF web site. I think there is a link to it from Packing.org. I got some info from there. I have read somewhere that you cannot posess a handgun at an assembly of more than X number of people. I also saw where it is ilegal to carry to church. I will try to find where I saw this info for you. If you find anything, please let me know. One of these days when I get a day off from work I am going to the Law Library at the county courthouse to see what I can find. ;D

[MLB]

havensal,

I can't remember if I've seen the BATF site or not. I'll take a look.

My little flyer from the pistol permit office mentions a few other places (like at a bar) where you apparently cannot carry legally, but I'm not sure where that comes from. It dosen't appear to be in the NYS law.

I'll keep you posted on what I find out.

[MLB]

Well, not much luck.

Aside from a much photocopied flyer from the pistol permit office, I haven't been able to find much in the way of a definitive description of restricted carry areas.

Two emails during the last month to the NYS Troopers went unanswered. I get the impression that what I'm looking for dosen't exist.

On the positive side, the advice I received from the pistol permit office was that since NY is a concealed carry only state, if you're doing it right, it should be a moot point.

MLB

[havensal]

As far as I know NY is not a Concield carry only state. My permit says "Liscence to carry pistol is herby granted..." Packing.org states that its a Concield carry permit. They also say a couple of times that there is NO legal way to carry a handgun in NYS. I am not sure how much I would rely in that site. As soon as I get any CONCREAT info I will offer it up to anyone that wants it. Keep me posted.

[DoubleAction]

I keep a copy of the State carry law restrictions which was given to me by the State probate office;that is the only written set of rules that I can present in court or to an officer.I could pull up the same document from the state probate office,but they have already done that for me.I have been approached by an officer of the law about my rights to carry,I informed him that I knew too well about my rights and didn't need him to interpret the law according to his own comprehension;I wasn't quite that polite though.

[MLB]

Havensal:

I read that bit about "NO legal way to carry a handgun in NYS" on packing.org. It struck me as odd too. I think that it's just poor wording on an otherwise very useful site.

Naturally, there is a legal way. I believe their intent was to convey that it is illegal to carry a handgun in plain view.

According to everything I've researched, NY State is a concealed carry only state. You can confirm this by contacting the permit office in your county.

It seems to me to be a reasonable way to carry anyway. Guns in view make people nervous, and in any situation that you'd want to use it, I'd rather have that bit of suprise on my side anyway.

[MLB]

DA:

That's the type of document I'm looking for, and for excatly the same reasons. If it is indeed illegal to carry a handgun into a bar, or anywhere else for that matter, it should be on paper somewhere...

Tenacity is a good thing, I'll find it sooner or later...

MLB

[DoubleAction]

ML;Where you applied for your permit,or renewal,is where you should be able to obtain the document.I have met many people who rely on the interpretation presented to them by their rent a cop friends.I have had patrolmen do the stupidiest things where my rights are concerned;on one incident I had three come to my house,on my front porch,one asked if I owned a gun,and when I said that I did,he asked to see a carry permit.At that point I had grounds for a Class action federal lawsuit against the patrolman and the city.I did not follow through,since the other two patrolmen knew that the one screwed up,and they never called or filed a written report.When you least expect it,your rights will be challenged;if you don't know them yourself,it's hard to argue.

[havensal]

Here are some websites that have some info.





www.troopers.state.ny.us/Firearms/Firearmsindex.html

www.nysrpa.org/nygunlaws.htm


www.nraila.org/GunLaws.asp?FormMode=Detail&R=NY


assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?sl=0

assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?cl=82

assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?cl=82&a=68

assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?cl=82&a=72



I stand corrected. All information I have found talks about carry concealed.


www.nysrpa.org/nygunlaws.htm

Carrying:
A license to possess a handgun serves also as a license to carry unless restricted. If there are no restrictions written on the license, the licensee is permitted to carry a handgun, loaded or unloaded, concealed, on or about his person. An applicant for a license to carry must be required to show, in addition to the requirement for possession, that "proper cause exists" for the issuance of such a license; for example, for target shooting, hunting, or self-defense. The license can be amended to include one or more additional or different handguns. The licensee is required to carry the license on his person at all times when carrying a handgun. Possession of any "loaded" rifle or shotgun in a vehicle is illegal. A loaded handgun may be carried in a vehicle by a properly licensed individual. ("Loaded" means loaded in magazine or chamber. A loaded handgun means one for which the person possesses ammunition.)



assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?cl=82&a=72

2. Types of licenses[/b][/i]. A license for gunsmith or dealer in firearms shall be issued to engage in such business. A license for a pistol or revolver, other than an assault weapon or a disguised gun, shall be issued to
(a) have and possess in his dwelling by a householder;
(b) have and possess in his place of business by a merchant or storekeeper;
(c) have and carry concealed while so employed by a messenger employed by a banking institution or express company;
(d) have and carry concealed by a justice of the supreme court in the first or second judicial departments, or by a judge of the New York city civil court or the New York city criminal court;
(e) have and carry concealed while so employed by a regular employee of an institution of the state, or of any county, city, town or village, under control of a commissioner of correction of the city or any warden, superintendent or head keeper of any state prison, penitentiary, workhouse, county jail or other institution for the detention of persons convicted or accused of crime or held as witnesses in criminal cases, provided that application is made therefor by such commissioner, warden, superintendent or head keeper;
(f) have and carry concealed, without regard to employment or place of possession, by any person when proper cause exists for the issuance thereof[/u][/i]; and
(g) have, possess, collect and carry antique pistols which are defined as follows: (i) any single shot, muzzle loading pistol with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system manufactured in or before l898, which is not designed for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition; and (ii) any replica of any pistol described in clause (i) hereof if such replica--

[Data]

Regarding the initial post.

those look like pretty standard restrictions to me. You left off hospitals and for some states....any function that sells admission tickets.


I am fine with all of them except 1) the restaurants whos primary function is to serve food but also have a bar and 2) admission ticket functions.

Im sorry but Im carrying in restaurants and movies....2 of the most dangerous places a person can go with regard to spree killers or possible terriorist attacks.