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Post by DoubleAction on Apr 19, 2003 20:30:20 GMT -5
Today I went to the range for one reason,the .357sig and it's handling characteristics from the P-229 verses that of the 239. The 239 was fed a diet of Triton's Hi-Vel 125 gr. and Speer's Gold Dot 128 gr. .357 sig.After a hundred fast rounds went through the barrels I was politely asked to retreat to one corner of the range.The sound was over powering to the customers inside the counter areas.The 239 performed with mild recoil, fast follow ups,and accuracy on the 9 & 10 rings at 17 yds.The reports were said to exceed that of the .357 magnum revolvers.The 229 made alot of new friends also but the test was with the 239 more than the 229.I fired over 400 rounds of the .357 sig from these two pistols in less than half an hour.The rest of the time I was relocating or trying to find a lost nickel plated grip screw.
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Post by Callahan on Apr 20, 2003 20:48:01 GMT -5
I notice Sig says their .357 gives you Magnum performance. Is that just hype or is it that hot a cartridge?
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Post by RogerC on Apr 20, 2003 22:34:45 GMT -5
It's hot. Approximates the 357 magnum in lighter bullet weights.
Lot's of flames and blast. I don't recommend ported barrels.
Get a Glock that shoots 357 Sig, and you can buy a .40 S&W barrel, and it drops right in. Use the same mags. Almost like two guns in one!
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Post by Jeffress77 on Apr 20, 2003 23:35:36 GMT -5
I haven't shot the .357Sig, but I have heard from a few guys I shoot IDPA with that they are a pain for reloading(if that affects you) and that I heard from a Gary, IN law enforcement homocide officer that they test rounds yearly at a convention and that the .357Sig shoots poorly in comparison with 9mm, .40S&w, and .45 ACP. He explained that they used a variety of different materials to shoot through, simulating every material in a home, public place, or vehicle. The .357Sig penetration in these materials (car steel, drywall, siding, clothing layers, kevlar, thick glass, etc.) was not very impressive. I am not sure how much he actually knew, but I figured since you asked I would relay this info.
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Post by Terrapin on Apr 21, 2003 13:47:03 GMT -5
Yeah, supposedly that penetration (or lack thereof) is why the air marshalls chose 357SIG to carry on board, less chance of overpentratiing and hitting someone else or equipment in the airliner.
Double Action, love my 357SIG P239 but I fire it less than my 9's because I've heard many places that the higher chamber pressures it generates really hammers the gun and decreases its expected life considerably, much like shooting plu p plus 9-mm constantly.
RogerC, be careful with high power rounds in the Glock... never had a problem with mine but one of the selling points for the Springfield XD357 and Steyr pistols is that they specifically improved on the Glock design by including a supported chamber. 9-mm Glock KaBooms are probably rare as hens teeth but as far as 357SIG in Glocks there are interesting pictures of mangled Glocks on the Glock forums...
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Post by Callahan on Apr 21, 2003 13:54:16 GMT -5
I think that's a great point about Glock. It was designed for 9 mm and that's where it made its fine reputation, but I have not a lot of confidence in it in .357, .40, and .45.
Now the Springfield XD40, on the other hand...
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Post by Callahan on Apr 21, 2003 13:57:23 GMT -5
Terrapin: Airline pilots that have gone through the training will carry government-issue .40s, probably with frangible ammo.
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Post by TA on Apr 21, 2003 14:29:21 GMT -5
The first carrying pilots are supposed to be trained and online this week for the first time.
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Post by Callahan on Apr 21, 2003 15:53:48 GMT -5
Yep, on Easter Sunday of all days...
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Post by DoubleAction on Apr 21, 2003 18:52:43 GMT -5
The .357 sig cartridge is a necked down .40S&W case,and it is more difficult to reload than the straight neck cases.The recoil is mild and the battering on the Sigs are different than other semi-autos because upon recoil the slide compresses and rest upon the recoil spring rather than directly on the frame..For high velosity competition rounds,the Winchester 9x23 is hotter than the .357 sig,but I'm not buying into a chamber that only one manufacturer is known for making the cartridge.The .357 sig has been around for more than a few years now,it's nothing new,and it hasn't out lived it's welcome.It is not uncommon to find the .357 sig,125 gr. bullets with velosities of 1400 to 1500 fps and 4" muzzle energies of over 500 ft.lb. of energy;that is .357 magnum performance from a semi-auto handgun,and a milestone in handgun history.
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Post by Callahan on Apr 21, 2003 19:46:55 GMT -5
Maybe this is splitting hairs, but Guns & Ammo shows .357 Sig w/125 gr. bullets by 5 manufacturers as having 1350 to 1375 velocity at the muzzle, not 1400 to 1500 fps. Only the 104 grain load hits 1,400. You are dead on on the muzzle energy though, and it's still Magnum performance, that does change!  |
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Post by DoubleAction on Apr 21, 2003 19:53:58 GMT -5
In the '99 Handguns Buyer's Guide,Page 34;The smaller 239 in .357 sig displayed velosities of 1515 fps.and 1545 fps from it's 3.6 inch barrel.The article was written by Layne Pearce.
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Post by DoubleAction on Apr 21, 2003 19:59:18 GMT -5
In the May "98 issue of American Rifleman the 229 displayed velosities of 1402 fps with the 125 gr. Speer Gold Dot Hollow Point.
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Post by Callahan on Apr 21, 2003 20:00:46 GMT -5
Guess Mark Twain was right when he said there are "lies, d**ned lies, and statistics!"  |
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Post by DoubleAction on Apr 21, 2003 20:13:57 GMT -5
I wouldn't know,I'm not his Huckleberry.
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