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Post by BNoll on Mar 6, 2004 13:18:42 GMT -5
Hello all,
I'm planning on picking up a new .40, and I wanted to see if I could get opinions on the Sig P226 vs. the H&K USP Series. Actually, I haven't fully decided yet whether I might consider the compact version of both (Sig P229 vs. H&K USP Compact); that will probably be a last minute decision based off of what feels best in my hand. I'm not looking for something that has to be easily concealable.
Basically, as far as I can tell, they are both superior products, and a person probably can't go wrong given these two options. Is this an accurate statement to you all? Any input on why one is actually objectively better than the other?
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Post by BNoll on Mar 6, 2004 20:47:21 GMT -5
Let me throw in another .40 that I had never handled until earlier today. The Browning Hi Power Practical. Can anyone here comment on that particular gun? Good/bad/indifferent. The fundamental differences (aside from the real obvious ones like how the Browning is single action and has a safety) between a gun like this and the Sig/H&K .40's a spoke of above.
Thanks in advance.
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Post by ronbwolf on Mar 15, 2004 4:15:16 GMT -5
Your post does not indicate your level of experience, but here goes. Each handgun described has +, and -'s.
Sig- Plus, reliable design, reasonably good sight from factory, easy to disassemble, (at least as far as you should disassemble it). Minus- Decocker, takes extensive training, and constant practice to safely use/carry. Expensive.
H&K- Plus, reliable design, reasonably good sight from factory, easy to disassemble, (at least as far as you should disassemble it). Can be had in many configurations of decocker (see above) or safety positons (ambidexterous) Minus, magazine release is poorly placed for some holsters, (it can catch on holster and dislodge magazine) Depending on variation can cause training problems. Also expensive.
Browning- a whole different character. First, one of my favorites, but, single action, and "wiping off" the safety takes practice. Other than that, hard to beat.
My personal recommendation- Glock 22,23,27,35, the 23, or 27 is very concealable. Glock is "the" most reliable, and durable, ( I have seen one dropped off a motorcycle at 70+ mph, skid across an intersection and strike a curb with a broken sight, and a few minor scratches for damage) and the Glock magazines are far more durable than any of the above.
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Post by timitim on Mar 20, 2004 17:23:14 GMT -5
WOW!
ronbwolf is bringing the heat on this one. Very nice post bud.
In my experience I would have to say that any of these choices would be a sound investment. I personally do not like the rear sight on the sig. I find it to be very distracting. So I would replace that emediately.
As far as choice bud its really up to you. Try to shoot both pistols if you can. Everyone has a different physical make up and pistols feel different to us all. I have actually fired all three of the above mentioned pistols, two of them in the 40 caliber. The browing was in 9mm.
The H&K felt better in my hand and I liked the action better. The Sig fired very well, but fit rather aquard in my hand.
Action is another thing to consider. I would recomend that you find one action, SA or DA, and stay with it. There are some MAJOR differences between them.
Let us know which one you went with.
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Post by PACK66 on Apr 6, 2004 19:34:01 GMT -5
I had an HK USP full size and it was the VERY BEST shooting gun I have ever had. Absolutely accurate with very contollable recoil. The problem was the style of mag release kept bumping on things and the mag would fall out. I think HK has resized(smaller) the release but I got rid of mine. I now have a SigP229 and it is also a very good gun. Acceptable accuracy, easy to conceal, overall very good. You can't go wrong with either one of these. By the way both are .40SW.
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Post by Whocares on Apr 9, 2004 22:06:14 GMT -5
Your post does not indicate your level of experience, but here goes. Each handgun described has +, and -'s. Sig- Plus, reliable design, reasonably good sight from factory, easy to disassemble, (at least as far as you should disassemble it). Minus- Decocker, takes extensive training, and constant practice to safely use/carry. Expensive. For a pistol that has so much to offer; you do not have very much to say about it. What about the trigger action? The integral ramped barrel? The upper block lock up? The Tolerances of Fit? The barrel cam lock up? The fully supported chamber ?,The internal lock work design ? The lightweight high tensile strength aircraft grade aluminum frame? The full length frame rails? The beveled Magazine well? The dove tailed front and rear sights ? The phenominal accuracy ? The reliability tests, which spans over twenty years for the P-220 alone ? How about calibers, barrel lengths, frame sizes, sight options ? Expensive ? What do you call expensive ? |
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Post by User1 on Dec 7, 2004 23:43:21 GMT -5
"Whocares" mentioned, in a rather abrupt manner, many advantages of the Sig. I personally shot an H&K USP in .40SW and liked it very much. Thought it was a fine handgun with better than average accuracy and functionaity. However, a few minutes later I was handed a Sig 226 in .40SW and fell in love with it before I ever pulled the trigger. I did pull the trigger, after admiring the pistol awhile and found that it was easily as accurate as the H&K USP and I personally shot better with it. Both being .40SW caliber, both pistols firing 180gr factory loads, the Sig seemed easier to keep under control and much easier to acquire and dispatch targets with. Emediately after, the next day in fact, I purchased a Sig handgun. I couldn't know that there was such a fine handgun available and not own it. I ended up purchasing a Sig Pro 2340 in .40SW and find it to be exceptionally accurate, very comfortable to shoot (With both grips, the SP2340 comes standard with a hard case, pair of 10-round magazines and 2 grips, one which is slim and one which is slightly oversized for larger hands.) and the functionality of the SP2340 is top of the line.
Just an opinion, but a true account of the instant love I had for Sig Arms once holding one of their fine handguns. Every shooter is different and each will most likely have a preference, mine is most definately a Sig over an H&K ...or any other.
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Post by DoubleAction on Dec 8, 2004 16:03:32 GMT -5
One edge the Sig, in .40 S&W, has over the HK is the optional drop in barrels for the 357 sig cartridge. I have this set up in the Sig P-239, Sig P-229, Sig P-226, and the Sig 229 Sport Pistol. The same magazines are compatible for use with the 226 and 229, however, the single stacked 239 requires different magazines for the .40 and 357 sig.
These factory barrels are fitted with such tolerances one would almost swear they were hand fitted; That is how Sigs are made. I bought a Sig 229 in .357 sig, and purchased the .40 S&W barrel., same difference. The Sig Sport required sending the pistol in to the Sigarms custom shop for hand fitting.
Buy the HK USP in .40 S&W, then call HK about purchasing the 357 sig barrel; Hear what they tell you.
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Post by Jerome on Dec 10, 2004 11:55:58 GMT -5
Whocares IS an abrupt a-s-s-h-o-l-e, who is also Doubleaction and Earl Tillman. He like to use his alter egos to f-u-c-k with people, and also to have conversations with himself.
He is also certifiably insane.
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Post by DoubleAction on Dec 10, 2004 18:13:04 GMT -5
Hello all, I'm planning on picking up a new .40, and I wanted to see if I could get opinions on the Sig P226 vs. the H&K USP Series. Actually, I haven't fully decided yet whether I might consider the compact version of both (Sig P229 vs. H&K USP Compact); that will probably be a last minute decision based off of what feels best in my hand. I'm not looking for something that has to be easily concealable. Basically, as far as I can tell, they are both superior products, and a person probably can't go wrong given these two options. Is this an accurate statement to you all? Any input on why one is actually objectively better than the other? Whocares IS an abrupt a-s-s-h-o-l-e, who is also Doubleaction and Earl Tillman. He like to use his alter egos to f-u-c-k with people, and also to have conversations with himself. He is also certifiably insane. |
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Post by Chicago on Dec 11, 2004 17:56:25 GMT -5
I don't know about Sig's or HK's. I was however hoping to get some kind of answer from some guys who know guns and ammo w/o a vested interest in selling me on either. The ? is can an older S&W model 10, by older I mean no hammer transfer bar but a good old firing pin model, handle +P LOADS? How about +P+ ? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by Callahan on Dec 12, 2004 1:10:39 GMT -5
Minus- Decocker, takes extensive training, and constant practice to safely use/carry. Sigs are not for idiots. ;D |
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Post by weapondepot on Dec 21, 2004 15:07:03 GMT -5
Hey everyone, I think you all have brought up very valid points...One thing that I did not see mentioned or asked is...
Have you handled and shot each one of these weapons? I think you will be happy with each one mechanically, the next thing to determine is which one fits you best. Personally I like the way my H&K feels where my buddy prefers the way his Sig fits him.
If you have the opportunity, see if you can get your hands on each one and first determine which one feels right. Does not matter how accurate or reliable they are in they do not fit you comfortably.
Just my $.02 Best of luck!
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Post by Callahan on Dec 21, 2004 19:31:04 GMT -5
If you have the opportunity, see if you can get your hands on each one and first determine which one feels right. Does not matter how accurate or reliable they are in they do not fit you comfortably. Just my $.02 Best of luck! So, you would be happy with a pistol that fit comfortably but wasn't very accurate and you could not depend on because it was not reliable? |
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Post by weapondepot on Dec 21, 2004 20:56:12 GMT -5
What I mean is simply, you can have the nicest, most accurate firearm in the world, however, if you are not comfortable firing it, it is worthless.
All of the following are important; accuracy, reliability, and fit.
All the weapons stated have the accuracy and reliablity attributes, I was just stating he should fire each to determine what feels best for him.
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