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Post by thrshr07 on Jul 23, 2004 9:15:24 GMT -5
Hey, I have an opportunity to purchase a used Glock 22 for $445 (extra mag etc etc).
My questions.....
Should i go with the used, or should i always go with a brand new gun?
Also, does anyone have any preference towards a 22 or a 23? I know the 23 is best for concealment, but is the 23 that much better to conceal? you are able to conceal the 22... arent you?
thanks for any information
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Post by TA on Jul 23, 2004 12:31:03 GMT -5
thrsr07, For a first handgun, I usually recommend a revolver. They are less complex, so there is less to go wrong and they are easier to understand, so less chance of an accidental discharge. Also, it is a good idea to take a handgun safety course. Check with your local shooting range and see if they have NRA safety courses. As for new vs. used, I prefer to buy used. Just like a car, you are letting the 1st owner take any depreciation hit. You can find somne very good buys this way. I don't know much about Glocks, so I can't help you there. Also, checkout our Gungroup Forum: gungroup.proboards3.com/index.cgi |
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Post by DoubleAction on Jul 23, 2004 17:34:13 GMT -5
thrshr; My first handgun was a .25 caliber semi-auto, it concealed very well, but it wasn't my first choice. That was 1968, and many handguns have long since been in my possession. The Glocks are very good choices for first time handguns, and not terribly difficult to operate with it's many incorporated safety features.
For a used Glock 22, priced at $445, I would hope that it is in new condition. Many fine pre-owned handguns can be fetched for $500., including Sigs and many others.
We were discussing price issues for pistols under $600. this week on our Handgun Forum.
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Post by Jerome on Jul 23, 2004 21:26:34 GMT -5
A Glock would be a terrible first gun.
UNLESS YOU GET PROPER TRAING IN HOW TO USE IT.
IMMEDIATELY!
It is too easy to have an AD with a Glock. Newbies have a habit of keeping their trigger finger on, or too close to the trigger when holstering the gun. The Glock trigger system will fire the weapon with a pretty light pull.
A revolver would be a better first gun. Something like a Smith and Wesson Model 19. Start out with .38 Specials and work up to magnums.
Earl, I can't believe you would actually recommend a Glock as a first handgun.................
Explain yourself!
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Post by DoubleAction on Jul 24, 2004 9:46:30 GMT -5
And where did you get your training; Roger Jerome? Newbie is not a term which means illiterate, or the inept ability to follow directions given in a handgun manuel. The Glock has been in use by more police departments simply by it's ease of use and safe action triggers.
Light Pull? I do not pull on any trigger in order to fire it; if I did, it would have to be the heavy six pound trigger of a stock Glock. I've seen more accidental discharges from new shooters cocking the hammers on double action revolvers in order to set off the trigger.I've also seen many first time owners begin with Glocks in law enforcement; I have the police training video from Glock of Smyrna, Georgia.
First time handgun issues matters little to those who chooses the path of trial and error. Your usual assumptions are duly noted, and predictable as usual.
There is no safe handgun without first having safety between the ears.
I recieved my initial firearms Training at Fort Benning's U.S. Army Infantry School, 1969.
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Post by Jerome on Jul 24, 2004 10:10:30 GMT -5
And they had LOTS of Glocks at Ft Benning in 1969, didn't they?
It's just not the best choice for a first handgun.
Experienced cops have shot themselves in the leg while holstering a Glock.
The trigger guard of a Glock must be concealed within a holster designed for the pistol, and one's finger must be away from the trigger when holstering. Standard practice for all handguns, but with a Glock it is easier to have an AD if something "gets in" the trigger area when holstering the weapon, or if it is left exposed while carrying.
Also consider that Glocks should not be fired with lead bullets because of the polygonal rifling in the barrel. I've not heard of any revolvers with this restriction.
A 1911 would even be a better first gun than a Glock.
BTW, nice name change, Earl.
thrshr07,
If you get the Glock, just be prepared to learn it, and practice with it a lot before carrying it concealed.
Don't get me wrong, they are fine pistols. They just have some special needs.
Unless those mags, etc, etc, are hi-caps, $445 for a used one is not that great of a deal.
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Post by DoubleAction on Jul 24, 2004 23:31:30 GMT -5
And they had LOTS of Glocks at Ft Benning in 1969, didn't they? It's just not the best choice for a first handgun. Experienced cops have shot themselves in the leg while holstering a Glock. The trigger guard of a Glock must be concealed within a holster designed for the pistol, and one's finger must be away from the trigger when holstering. Standard practice for all handguns, but with a Glock it is easier to have an AD if something "gets in" the trigger area when holstering the weapon, or if it is left exposed while carrying. . Assuming as always; I said "Initial Training" of 1969; I was at Fort Benning again in '74 & '75. No; We did not have Glocks, but we did have Trigger and Fire Control Systems designed for far devastation than what you would find in a sidearm. I can safely handle just about any handgun manufactured, whether it be a Glock, or otherwise. Any trigger will activate in the absence of a lock up device incorporated into it's fire control system. How a trigger functions, will depend on how it is operated, and the 1911 is one of those which is so misunderstood, that many underestimates the logic of it's operation. I've seen the 1911, I've seen those who thought of it as just another semi-auto, I've seen accidental discharges, and I've seen the pistol go into full auto. I've seen these things because of those who did not know how to properly inspect or operate the pistol. The Glock has long been known for being idiot proof, but in your case we will have to make an exception. |
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Post by Jerome on Jul 24, 2004 23:37:38 GMT -5
So I guess we are all doomed. We are not as brilliantly trained as you.
I still say a revolver is a better first gun.
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Post by DoubleAction on Jul 25, 2004 16:33:32 GMT -5
A Glock would be a terrible first gun. UNLESS YOU GET PROPER TRAING IN HOW TO USE IT. IMMEDIATELY! It is too easy to have an AD with a Glock. Newbies have a habit of keeping their trigger finger on, or too close to the trigger when holstering the gun. The Glock trigger system will fire the weapon with a pretty light pull. Rules, Training, Practical Application, Conduct, Common Sense, and logic are all part of the basic fundamentals in handling all firearms, whether it's a Glock, 1911, Revolver, or otherwise. If it shoots; It serves a purpose. If not accepting this is Doom, I can only hope that a higher authority will have mercy on your soul. |
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Post by Jerome on Jul 25, 2004 17:19:03 GMT -5
I was going to go easy on you Earl, until I saw that you edited your reply two times, and then deleted it and posted this last incarnation.
Why not just let what you say stand?
Why all the editing?
Didn't like the way your reply made you look?
Who cares? We all know what makes you tick.
Editing for typos is one thing. Editing to change the direction of the post is chickenshit. But then again, so are you, so I guess that makes perfect sense.
The bottom line is, if YOU really think a Glock is a better "first handgun" for a new shooter, than a revolver, you are a complete idiot.
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Post by DoubleAction on Jul 25, 2004 18:52:53 GMT -5
You stupid dwit; Do you actually think that starting with a revolver will short cut any issues of safety, or the proper use of a firearm ? If you were not so concerned for wanting a piece of my bad ass, you would read my messages more carefully. It does not take a genius to understand the Glock, although I can think of better choices for myself.
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Post by DoubleAction on Jul 25, 2004 18:55:02 GMT -5
Read what you comment on Roger. thrshr; My first handgun was a .25 caliber semi-auto, it concealed very well, but it wasn't my first choice. That was 1968, and many handguns have long since been in my possession. The Glocks are very good choices for first time handguns, and not terribly difficult to operate with it's many incorporated safety features. For a used Glock 22, priced at $445, I would hope that it is in new condition. Many fine pre-owned handguns can be fetched for $500., including Sigs and many others. We were discussing price issues for pistols under $600. this week on our Handgun Forum. |
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Post by DoubleAction on Jul 25, 2004 19:15:13 GMT -5
I was going to go easy on you Earl, you are a complete idiot. |
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Post by DoubleAction on Jul 25, 2004 19:18:58 GMT -5
It's just not the best choice for a first handgun. A 1911 would even be a better first gun than a Glock. BTW, nice name change, Earl. |
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Post by DoubleAction on Jul 25, 2004 19:20:56 GMT -5
A Glock would be a terrible first gun. UNLESS YOU GET PROPER TRAING IN HOW TO USE IT. IMMEDIATELY! Explain yourself! |
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