rmt
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Post by rmt on Sept 13, 2004 8:27:01 GMT -5
w/ the assault weapons ban on the way out we will start to see large capacity mags again.
I remember the pre weapons ban days and I tell you everyone seemed to be pushing those 9mm b/c of capacity.
Just wanted some speculation for members. I bought a 92fs pre ban and bought kahr p40 post ban.
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Post by DoubleAction on Sept 13, 2004 17:48:19 GMT -5
Your right; I've had more than several 9mm guys bring up the capacity as a defensive issue to rely on. There was a shooting method called " Spray & Pray" where one would........you know the rest.
My opinion is you will see a revival of those days when the 9mm possessed the fire power it once did. After the ten round limitations on magazine capacity, many felt better off to go with the .40 S&W or rely on the larger diameter bullet of the .45 acp.
I think many who never owned a 9mm will begin to rethink their options in smaller, lighter, more concealable pistols, with capacities, not found in the .40 S&W and .45 acp. With improvements to the 9mm cartridge, and bullets, during the past ten years, things are looking up for the 9mm and the pistols that will chamber the cartridge. I also see many present designs being offered in 9mm, with capacities of 15 or more rounds per magazine.
It is a new dawn and the sun is rising once again.
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Jerome
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Post by Jerome on Sept 13, 2004 19:19:32 GMT -5
Don't get too happy.
The AWB wasn't as bad as you might think.
Especially after the Dems craft a new ban, that will actually ban WEAPONS instead of features.
Be very afraid............
Once the November elections are over, and they are all secure in their jobs, they will start putting ban options on the table.
My guess is that the bleeding hearts will have a new bill on the table before the year is out.
This time, full capacity mags may not be "grandfathered" in. They very well could be outlawed. Period. At least under the AWB, we could still get them........
If Kerry wins, we will be in sad shape. If Bush wins, at least we have a chance............
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Post by DoubleAction on Sept 13, 2004 20:15:17 GMT -5
This is just one of several that won't sunset. Many State, County, and Local Municipalities have harvested new wealth from this one.
DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND FIREARMS
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20226
OPEN LETTER TO ALL STATE AND LOCAL
LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS
The purpose of this letter is to provide information to all State and local law enforcement agencies regarding one specific aspect of the recently enacted Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations Act of 1997 (the Act) . One part of the Act amended the Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA) to make it unlawful for any person convicted of a "misdemeanor crime of domestic violence" to ship, transport, possess, or receive firearms or ammunition. It also makes Tot unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of a firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that the recipient has been convicted of such a misdemeanor. This new prohibition does apply to all law enforcement officers.
Act adds new firearms disability
As defined in the GCA, a "misdemeanor crime of domestic violence" means an offense that:
(1) is a misdemeanor under federal or state law; and
(2) has, as an element, the use or attempted use of physical force, or the threatened use of a deadly weapon, committed by a current or former spouse, parent, or guardian of the victim, by a person with whom the victim shares a child in common ' by a person who is cohabiting with or has cohabited with the victim as a spouse , parent, or guardian, or by a person similarly situated to a spouse, parent, or guardian of the victim.
This definition includes all misdemeanors that involve the use or attempted use of physical force (e.g., simple assault, assault and battery) if the offense is committed by one of the defined parties. This is true whether or not the State statute or local ordinance specifically defines the offense as a domestic violence misdemeanor. For example, a person convicted of misdemeanor assault against his or her spouse would be prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms or ammunition. Moreover, the prohibition applies to persons convicted of such misdemeanors at any time, even if the conviction occurred prior to the new law's effective date, September 30, 1996. As of the effective date of the new law, such a person may no longer possess a firearm or ammunition. However, with respect to all persons, a conviction would not be disabling if it has been expunged, set aside, pardoned, or the person has had his or her civil rights restored (if the law of the applicable jurisdiction provides for the loss of civil right-s-under such an offense) AND the person is not otherwise prohibited from possessing firearms or ammunition.
New disability applies to law enforcement officers
In addition, the Act amended the GCA so that employees of government agencies convicted of qualifying misdemeanors would not be exempt from this new disability with respect to their receipt or possession of firearms or ammunition. Thus, law enforcement officers and other government officials who have been convicted of a qualifying misdemeanor will not be able to lawfully possess or receive firearms or ammunition for any purpose, including performing their official duties. This disability applies to firearms and ammunition issued by government agencies, firearms and ammunition purchased by officials for use in performing their official duties, and personal firearms and ammunition possessed by such officials.
In view of this amendment's effect on law enforcement officers, your department may want to determine if any employee who is authorized to carry a firearm is subject to this disability and what appropriate action should be taken. Employees subject to this disability must immediately dispose of all firearms and ammunition in their possession. The continued possession of firearms and ammunition by persons under this disability a violation of law and may subject the possessor to criminal penalties. In addition, such firearms and ammunition are subject to seizure and forfeiture.
In cases where your agency becomes aware of individuals subject to this disability, we recommend that such persons,. be encouraged to relinquish all firearms and ammunition in their possession immediately to a third party, such as their attorney, their local police agency, or a firearms dealer.
If such person refuses to relinquish the firearm or ammunition, and your agency is without authority to retain or seize the firearm or ammunition, you should contact the local ATF office.
Brady Act In the so-called "Brady States" Chief Law Enforcement Officers (CLEOs) "shall make a reasonable effort" to determine whether a prospective buyer's receipt of a handgun would be in violation of the law. CLEOs have five business days in which to make that reasonable effort. What constitutes a "reasonable effort" is to be determined by each law enforcement agency based on its own circumstances, e.g., the availability of resources, access to records, and the law enforcement priorities of the jurisdiction.
This "reasonable effort" standard is not altered by the addition of this new disqualifying category. It remains fully within the discretion of the CLEO to determine what effort is reasonable. For example, even if the CLEO determines that a misdemeanor assault conviction has occurred, it remains fully within the CLEO's discretion to determine whether to make further inquiry.
ATF forms are being revised to reflect the new category of prohibited persons.
If you have any questions concerning these new provisions, contact your local ATF office or the Firearms and Explosives Regulatory Division at 202-927-8300.
John W. Magaw
Director
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