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Post by skt666 on Jun 11, 2003 19:58:14 GMT -5
what does everybody think about this. no one has yet to come up and actually hand over the weapons but the idea of it deserves to be adressed. 1. its obvoius iraqi is a ver dangrous place right now , no goverment , no real police force , no army that can identify or comunicate with the people. while the american forces are acting as both army and police and goverment it clear they are over worked and streatched to there near max. basically im saying that if we want a stable iraq we should leave it to the iraqis to govern and police themselves , disarming them seems more like a step back from that direction. fire arms are a basic human right , nobody knows that better than an iraqi or an american.
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Post by TA on Jun 11, 2003 20:41:53 GMT -5
If they would stop shooting at and killing our soldiers who freed them, I don't think anybody would be trying to disarm them. That part of the world is such a mess and I really don't hold much hope for peace....ever.
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Post by skt666 on Jun 11, 2003 20:52:10 GMT -5
centcom has clearly stated that there are pockets of residince , they have not come out and said there is a full scale revolt , that every home is a snipers nest , infact they have said the exact opposite , they have said that the iraqi people are with them in genral. you say "if they would stop killing our soliders" so you think the entire country is against the US when our goverment tells us other wise. a police officer is shot or killed nearly everyday some months in major cities across the united states , should we then dis arm chicago , new york , atlanta ect.... occupation is a very delicate issue and unles we have the people on our side we will cont. to lose soldiers , just like unless certain social issuses are delt with we wil cont. to lose police officers
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Post by Callahan on Jun 12, 2003 10:12:01 GMT -5
I would think law-abiding Iraqis need to have be able to arm themselves in what is and probably will continue to be a fairly lawless place for some time to come. I think it's especially important for business owners to be able to defend their livelihood. I recall seeing doctors in scrubs having to stand out in front of a hospital with AKs in order to keep the looters away during the overthrow of Saddam's regime.
Of course anyone who misuses the privilege should face swift and certain punishment.
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Post by drag0n on Jun 22, 2003 20:58:09 GMT -5
Are all the Iraqi citizens taking pot shots at our troop? Why confiscate weapons if they are using it to protect themselves. In a place where their is looting, and a seroius chance that your family will be in danger, why take away their weapons? We don't have enough troops to enforce the rules right now I think thats obvious, and Iraqi police well are they even their? I understand the fear that maybe they don't want someone to be taking pot shots but does the regular Iraqi who has to get food, worry about looters, and go to work really have time or motivation to take pot shots at people who just over threw a bum like Saddam? Eh prolly not. Just my opinions here guys.
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Post by skt666 on Jun 23, 2003 19:10:34 GMT -5
its a sound opinon. i feel alot of the worlds problems come from people not being able to protect themselves. this should be a universal right. thats a long ways away , right now we should focus on getting states to repel laws...... could you imagine a world wide ccw permitt??
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Post by drag0n on Jun 25, 2003 1:31:10 GMT -5
I really wouldn't want to be risking my butt if I was their worrying if someone in a building has a firearm and might try to take a shot at me or my buddies. I was reading some stuff on the current problems their in Iraq seems as if we have not won them over. So I can see how it would make things safer for our troops.
I'll tell you guys something I am 1/2 Egyptian. Guns are mostly banned in Arab countries. My grandfather if I remember right he had a pistol he used it when he would work out in the rural country in inspections and so on. Gotta worry about a few critters( leopards, wolves). He told me once he had to shoot a wolf with it. Anyhow a few years ago in 1997 their was a law passed that only Military/LEO can have firearms, unless you were a security guard or you showed justified cause in having a weapon, they were confiscated. But alot of the citizens in most Arab countries don't have guns. Can't speak for Iraq because from everything we see on Fox/CNN we see everyone armed with everything under the sun. Since the Iraqi people are this heavily armed I'd really think that they would have taken pot shots at the ex Iraqi regime that was in power.
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Post by skt666 on Jun 25, 2003 17:53:37 GMT -5
i to am also of middle eastren decent ( dad gaza , mom syria) one of the biggest probs. out there is the lack of a check and balance of power system between the citizens and the rulers of middle eastren countries. it is in my opinoin (and that of my relatives languishing in israeli and syrian prisons) a sytem like that can not exist without a citizenry that can defend itself.
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Post by drag0n on Jun 25, 2003 21:54:01 GMT -5
Every citizen of every country should be able to defend themself. There is nothing wrong with that. I think I heard on the news that people will be allowed to have guns in Iraq long as they apply for a permit. Right now its rough to collect them what are you going to do do full scale tactical entries for every house hold in the country?  Its scarey to live there sinc eyou got looters and crooks running around. |
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Post by dja98 on Jun 26, 2003 3:17:27 GMT -5
Several parts of Iraq now heavily resemble parts of the frontier US. The only law is often upheld by the local civilians.
I would think the 2nd ammendment would be a great asset here.
However, the difference betwee a winchester and an AK is slightly different.
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Post by skt666 on Jun 26, 2003 17:56:35 GMT -5
the winchester has been replaced by the ak and m16. its a diffrent time
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Its scarey to live there sinc eyou got looters and crooks running around.