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Post by cnemikeman on May 24, 2003 21:11:26 GMT -5
Geez........ I'm so d@#n frustrated today I can't stand it. Went to order a new gun today, a nice new toy, and it doesn't meet my state's requirements as of right now. VERY frustrated, to say the least. Currently, my options of "roster approved" guns is a pretty short list. Did I mention this makes me VERY angry!?!?! Neither SIG nor Glock right now are in my options. ARGH!!!
MiKeMaN
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Magnum
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Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things.
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Post by Magnum on May 24, 2003 21:45:18 GMT -5
Sounds like you live in either Maryland or California. Get out while you can!!!!
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Post by DoubleAction on May 24, 2003 23:11:14 GMT -5
Sounds like your state law makers have overstepped their boundaries.In my state 500 new residents are entering our borders each and every day;but most are anti-gun,criminal,unemployed,illegals,or relocated from northern based companies.Our gun laws are fairly good here because average citizens have to carry a gun in one hand and a flashlight in the other, while they sleep in bed at night.
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Post by flashpoint on May 25, 2003 3:33:42 GMT -5
DA,
What state might that be?
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Post by cnemikeman on May 25, 2003 8:04:49 GMT -5
Well, I'm thinking SERIOUSLY about moving to another state that supports our country's second amendment a little more. I've got no problem with insta-check and all that, but come on..... 7 day wait, list of approved guns, one purchase every 30 days...... fired casing sent to authorities for "safe keeping" from new gun...... CCW is only a pipe dream....  It really, really is getting to be TOO much. When your states' requirements don't include the top gun makers it's time to do "something"... MiKeMaN |
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Post by Terrapin on May 25, 2003 10:05:20 GMT -5
Mikeman, sounds like you live in Maryland, as I do. The net effect of those laws is just to drive up prices... you will pay 10 to 20% more for any gun in Maryland as you would in any surrounding state. AND, if you move nearby, Virginia, Pennsylvania and West Virginia are where you should look... New Jersey and Delaware are nearly as bad as Maryland. Interesting our gun crimes are increasing while Pennsylvania's and Virginia's continue to decline... Having said that, here's how you deal with it in Maryland. Apply for "desginated collector" status from the Maryland State Police. You can pick up the application at any gun dealer and it is free. It takes a month or so, but when you get approved you will be exempt from the one-gun-in-30-days restriction. You CAN get new pistols from every major maker still, all the big dealers stocked up on Glocks and Kimbers and the like just before the law that bans them took effect in January. Let me know what area is convenient to you and I can tell you who the big dealers are. Even the best will be charging you a premium for those guns though. If it makes you feel better, it is realistically just a matter of time before more states pass gun lock laws. Glock has a Maryland-approved internal lock for their weapons, so they will be back in Maryland before long. There is a retro-fittable approved lock from Springfield Armory that can be put into any 1911, but Kimber has so far forbidden this on their weapons. Smith and Wesson, Walther, Heckler and Koch and Taurus are already Maryland lock-compliant. Wouldn't surprise me if they supported this law to gain a competitive advantage  . Ruger has announced they will have integrated locks soon and Beretta, which is headquartered here, decided not to follow through on their threat to move to Virginia, though no lock has been announced. Remember, even though your gun has a lock, there is no law saying you have to keep it locked. It does add another layer of possible mechanical failure, but there are conceivable situations where you might actually use that lock. Lastly, if all the gun owners move out of Maryland we'll never get these laws changed. There are more pro-gun people in Maryland than anti, but the anti-gunners live in the rich DC and Baltimore suburbs and spend more money to get their way. Vote and write your representatives and we'll boot the anti-gunners like we booted Kathleen Kennedy Townsend (who buy the way has one of those Maryland CCW's even though she shrieks that we shouldn't have them). Bush has us over a barrel... he knows if we retaliate for his support of renewing the assulat weapons ban by voting democrats back into power, there will be a national gun lock law within a few months and the whole country will be in Maryland gun owners' boat. |
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Post by DoubleAction on May 25, 2003 10:19:16 GMT -5
Flashpoint;My state is no longer a state,it's just a place now;we don't even have a flag anymore.
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Post by cnemikeman on May 25, 2003 20:06:41 GMT -5
Terrapin,
Yep....here in ol' MD. I saw that Glock had the new lock coming out in the new issue of Glock Autopistols. That's a little condolence, anyway. I went to 3 different shops and NONE of them had a SIG, nor did they know when/if they could get one. VERY frustrating, to say the least. Very cool deal on that "collector" status. Any special requirements to qualify for that? I'll have to check that out. As far as dealers, anywhere near the Annapolis area would be a huge help. Have you been to the indoor range in Glen Burnie ( Select Fire ) ? I recommend it if you haven't. Thanks in advance for the information!!!
MiKeMaN
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Post by Terrapin on May 25, 2003 23:00:21 GMT -5
MikeMan, Select Fire is OK, they have the best hours in the area and they rent automatic weapons for use on site, but I'd recommend On Target in Severn. It's about a mile from BW Parkway on 175 and Ridge Road, a quick run from Annapolis across 100, just a stone's throw from Arundel Mills. They have a much better selection of rental guns and they have new SIGs in stock for sale, as well as a beautiful barely used P229 in the last display case against the wall for $700. Prices are very high compared to the rest of the US but better than most Maryland dealers. The Gun Rack in Burtonsville has the best prices I've seen but they are a hike from me. They have just a very few Kimbers left and a few Glocks as well; a whole ton of HKs and Rugers. Collector status is free and painless, you just fill out the app, have it notarized and send it in. Part of the app is an essay section where you tell them why you are collecting, so be creative and entertain them. They are reportedly very good about granting these but they will watch you closely to make sure that if you buy a lot of guns you are not also selling a lot, basically to make sure you are not doing FFL stuff without an FFL. Designated collector status is basically volunteer gun registration, but they don't require fingerprinting  Annapolis has an outdoor range as well, the Fish and Game Club, and that club hosts IPSC and IDPA matches as well, might be worth your while to look into. |
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Post by Norton on May 26, 2003 9:16:45 GMT -5
Here's another vote for the guys at On Target. I've bought two of my three guns there and have always felt like they were knowlegable and honest. I've dealt with several of the guys (and Helen too!) in the course of looking at and purchasing my firearms and have never felt pressured by the salesperson's personal preferences. You'll find a wide range of personal tastes among the staff: I can can think of one who is a revolver person, a Sig person, a 1911 person....
As far as the range, I've found it less of an antagonistic atmosphere than Select Fire. The few times I've been to Select Fire, the owner has seemed quite indifferent to the fact that I'm doing him the favor by patronizing his business. With the individual cameras on each lane and the guy sitting at his little monitoring table, I find it extremely difficult to relax and enjoy myself. I won't go back to a place where I'm treated like crap.....The range at On Target is clean and well operated. Many couples, etc shooting.
The outdoor range in Annapolis is a members only range, though they do have open .22 matches on Sunday mornings.
Mike, there are only two gun shops in Annapolis that I know of: Arundel out on West Street and Bay Country( I think that's the name) on Defense Hwy near Crownsville. There's also a place on Kent Islan in Stevensville that is right on Rt 50.
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Post by Terrapin on May 26, 2003 9:28:33 GMT -5
Mike, also consider checking out the upcoming Silverado Gun Show, June 28-29 in Frederick. About 15 high-volume dealers will show up, although prices are really no better than at their shops, you can cross shop much easier. Additionally, this is the organization and the organizer that led the successful fight against Montgomery County, Maryland's Gun Show ban a little while ago, so I make it a point to go, especially when it is actually held in Montgomery County. Drawback is that you have to go to their shop to pick up your gun in 10 days (seven working days), and they could be an hour's drive or more away (especially from Annapolis). Here's the silverado link: silveradogunshow.com/silver.html |
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Post by cnemikeman on May 26, 2003 9:46:37 GMT -5
Terrapin..... Thanks a ton! I'm going to try shooting at On Target probably this week. I did know what you mean about Select Fire.... a little more "intense" is a good word. I'll still shoot there from time to time, but if you are right about On Target, they may become my new "home away from home". I've marked the GunShow on my calendar. Thanks again, and safe shootin'! Mike |
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Post by drag0n on May 27, 2003 3:28:33 GMT -5
I used to live in Kommie Kalifornia. i live in Arizona now same day as i walk into the shop i am walking out with my new toy. what really irks me is that criminals are not going to the gunshops to buy their guns they steal them or buy them off another crook. some reason lawmakers dont understand that  .. |
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Post by Callahan on May 27, 2003 9:58:33 GMT -5
Mikeman and Terrapin: I'm assuming that the Maryland objection to Sig and Glock is the lack of a safety on the Sig and the fact that the Glock trigger cannot be locked?
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Post by Terrapin on May 27, 2003 13:12:59 GMT -5
Actually, no, Maryland requires as of January 2003 that all new guns sold in Maryland manufactured after Jan 1, 2003 not only have a fired shell casing for ballistic fingerprinting (a program which costs millions of dollars and has yet to result in a single prosecution, let alone conviction), but also have an integral gun lock, a list of approved devices being posted on the Maryland State Police website. So new Smitha dn Wessons, Tauruses, HKs, Rugers and Springfield Armory pistols can still be sold since they already have integrated locks, but SIGs, Rugers, Glocks and Berettas cannot be sold here until their design has an intergated lock added and approved by Maryland's Handgon Roster Board.
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It really, really is getting to be TOO much. When your states' requirements don't include the top gun makers it's time to do "something"...
. Ruger has announced they will have integrated locks soon and Beretta, which is headquartered here, decided not to follow through on their threat to move to Virginia, though no lock has been announced. 
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