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Post by dzrtram on Mar 14, 2003 1:13:47 GMT -5
If any of you have direct, and preferably extensive experience with both the Sig 229 and the HK USP .40, I would appreciate a field report, in all honesty and fairness. I love both the Sigs and the HKs, but in all honesty, I hate dealing with HK, as does every gunsmith and gun dealer I know, and that's a lot. HK has no respect for the customer, will not answer inquiries, and the "big name" gunsmiths just hate them. Some of them won't even work on them. With all that being said, I love the guns they make. Maybe that's why they are so arrogant. I would buy the HK in a flash if it turns out to be the better gun. Your help would be much appreciated.
Thank you!!!!!!
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Post by Mike on Mar 14, 2003 6:46:25 GMT -5
I have a Sig 229 in 40S&W that is absolutely fantastic. IMHO, it is the best platform for the .40 cartridge due to its accuracy, ergonomics and just plain shootability. I've shot a number of other guns in that caliber including the full size USP, which I really didn't care for. Maybe Slick will chime in here and tell you about his H&K. He has nothing but good things to say about its accuracy. Let's face it, these are both quality firearms and the ultimate decision is going to be whichever floats your boat the highest. I personally don't think you can go wrong either way, I just happen to prefer Sigs. Best wishes, Mike
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Post by DoubleAction on Mar 14, 2003 17:57:55 GMT -5
dzrtram;Both are excellent choices and I can sympathize with your dilemma in choosing.TJ custom specializes in performing improvements on the Sigs, but you probably are already aware of that ;D.If I were looking for a steel reinforced polymer frame pistol I would go with the HK.If I were looking for an alloy aluminum frame pistol,I would go with the Sig.
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Post by Slick on Mar 15, 2003 7:31:05 GMT -5
I think Mike and DA covered it. I absolutely love my HK USP, and I trust it with my life, but I also haven't met a Sig I didn't like. If you're that concerned about HK's customer service, maybe that'll be your deciding factor.
Either way, I think you'll be happy, just pick the one that feels best to you.
My .02
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Post by Mitch HanK Sauer on Mar 15, 2003 22:36:33 GMT -5
I am like Slick. I love my HK USP9, but still like my first handgun a Sig Sauer P226. Both are excellent, but the USP9 is a better shoot for me. Against any other handguns I would not hesitate on an HK or Sig.
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Post by Slick on Mar 16, 2003 11:46:10 GMT -5
HA!
I knew Hank would worm his way into your user name sooner or later! ;D
Took the USP out to the range last week. Groups shrink every time. I'll never be able to outshoot this thing, it's sooooo nice.
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Post by dzrtram on Mar 16, 2003 12:09:20 GMT -5
I think I've got it figured out. My daughter does best with the HK USP 40. I think we'll get the compact and the .357 and 40 barrel. Then we'll send it to Bruce Gray from the HKPRO forum boards.hkpro.com/NonCGI/ultimatebb.php?ubb=forum&f=16whom everyone seems to think is the best for the HK. We will have him do the trigger and internal smoothing, and maybe the special mainspring. My Sig 228 will go to TJ members.aol.com/tjscustom/Web/TJinf.htmfor his level one package. TJ hates the HK and will not work on them. This is odd to me, because he is the only person, gunsmiths included, who has ever badmouthed the HK. But, to each his own. I usually have Teddy Jacobson do my action work, but these two guys are touted by nearly everyone as the best for those two guns, and they do work Teddy doesn't do. OK, I know you couldn't care less what I do ;D but I thought this might help someone else doing their homework. I thank you very much for your input. Seems to me there isn't much argument about the HK and Sig being two of the finest gun available. Well, except for TJ  |
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Post by DoubleAction on Mar 16, 2003 14:17:11 GMT -5
dzrtram;The last time that I checked with Sigarms,Teddy Jacobson, or TJ Custom was the only gunsmith recommened for work to be done on the Sigs,his work is excellent to say the least.If I recommended the Sig as your choice of the two,it would be unfair to you since my choice was made many years before the HK USP saw production.I care very much what the Law Abidding gun communtiy purchases and carries for many reasons;two of those are it supports the good of the firearms industry and it provides the user with a quality firearm of proficiency.
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Post by dzrtram on Mar 16, 2003 16:22:31 GMT -5
DA, Thanks for the input on Teddy Jacobson. I like him a lot. He has done work for me in the past, and he is very pleasant to talk to on the phone. To be honest, I think I read the gun rags too much, and the irony is I've met and talked with TJ of TJ's custom guns, many times. I don't like the way most of his guns look, but he seemed to do smoothing of the rails and other internals that Teddy doesn't do. I have seen and held a gun he made for Steven Segal. They are very smooth, but I would never let him work on the exterior. I don't like all that gobbeldygook coloring, etc.  I'll send it to Teddy. Thanks for your interest. I appreciate it. ;D |
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Post by Mitch HanK Sauer on Mar 16, 2003 16:52:19 GMT -5
Hey Slick, I know you're up with my username/nickname.! I just realized how to change the username on this board so I incorporated it.  Yeah, been so busy lately with work, I have had hardly any time to participate on this board and much less time to hit the range lately with my "boys" - "HanK", "Mitch", and "Lil Dude". he he he he! I need to go soon. Oh well catch you all later, now that I think of it maybe I should try to shoot some lead today! |
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Post by trapper on Mar 16, 2003 17:11:03 GMT -5
dzrtram: I am not much of a pistol fan--I prefer revolvers. I do have a Sig and like it a lot. I works well for me. In the past I have owned 1911's--A Colt Combat Commander and an old WWII GI surplus which I think was made by Remington Rand. They all worked well. The Sig 40 is a good choice. Good Luck.
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Post by dzrtram on Mar 16, 2003 17:31:58 GMT -5
Thanks, Trapper. It is hard to get used to other pistols having grown up with both the 1911 and Colt revolvers. I had to trade off my Glock 9mm. Just could not get used to that trigger. Funny thing, though, I can shoot the Glock .45 just fine. Go figure..... |
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Post by DoubleAction on Mar 16, 2003 19:16:42 GMT -5
dzrtram;I've seen some of Teddy Jacobson's work on some 1911s and he is very detailed;right now I wish that I could find a good revolver smith in my area.I'm happy with my Sigs the way they are for the time being,the triggers already break at 4 1/2 lbs on single action and the rest of the pistol has features that would normally be considered custom options on others.
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