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Post by MLB on Nov 24, 2003 19:47:30 GMT -5
I wouldn't advocate carrying at work if the policy was against it. My point was that even the local permit office often doesn't have solid advice.
I work in a smaller firm of about 20 people, so we don't have written guidelines for carrying at work. I don't think that I'll bring it up though.
*darn typos*
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Post by Callahan on Nov 25, 2003 4:26:03 GMT -5
Yeah, really, don't create a problem where none exists...
DA: I thing you are right on on this one!
I think it all goes back to the old saying, "Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6."
I'm going to do what I need to do to be safe.
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Post by dubbleakshun on Nov 25, 2003 12:06:59 GMT -5
It's really a hard call to make, because most all on this forum, that I've had the pleasure of discussing things with, are people with law abidding principals.Company and Corporate policies seem to hack into our system of conformance and compliance to being upright in our character.When I reach such a plateau,I often take a measurement of my own in reaching a decision;but still take offense to being considered wrong in regards to my own well being and safety.We have a long way to go in this country before some finally wake up to the reality that all people who own guns are not of a violent nature.
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Post by Callahan on Nov 28, 2003 1:42:41 GMT -5
You make a good point when you bring up the law-abiding nature of people on the forum. I regard myself as law-abiding and though it was no trouble I have devoted quite a bit of time and money to do things right. I've taken the classes, tests, studied the law, shot to qualify, kept up by practicing, invested money in guns and ammo and then they tell me, in effect, I cannot carry on any day I am going to work without risking the loss of my job if I am caught. I know it's not personal, they just want to control everything. I remember a few years ago they decided nobody could park in the company lot unless they had auto insurance. They made you present proof of insurance!
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Post by MLB on Nov 28, 2003 20:08:46 GMT -5
Well intentioned, but micromanaging the details of everyday life seems to be a way of making people comform you your way of thinking.  |
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Post by Callahan on Dec 1, 2003 2:55:29 GMT -5
I had two choices, park in the company garage and leave the gun at home or park at a meter and be armed for my trips downtown.
My ashtray is filled with quarters...
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Post by tptplayer on Dec 8, 2003 20:34:52 GMT -5
There is an interesting analysis of Florida and Federal law in regard to having a gun near a school by Attorney Jon H. Gutmacher in “The Sportsman’s Gazette.” This affects me. Here is the Readers Digest Condensed version of his take on it. Florida law says that CCW license does not allow the bearer to wear concealed in or near a school. Florida law does not forbid having a gun in your car near a school. Federal law forbids guns within 1000 feet of a school unless they are unloaded or locked up. Technically you could be arrested if you are driving down the road by a school and have a handgun in the car if you pass within 1000 feet. However, this law does not take effect if the gun bearer has a CCW. Therefore, with a CCW you can drop off your child or park in the parking lot of a school with a handgun in your glove compartment as long as it is not in your pocket.
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Post by 9mm on Dec 8, 2003 20:50:55 GMT -5
Like someone earlier said, unless they have metal detectors, make no waves/leave no trace. If you do get in an altercation to/from work, and live, you'll be glad you survived.
Point is we don't need to be militant about carry, that scares people. Quietly carry, don't advertise it and no one will be the wiser.
Just don't pull 'em out while drinking beers in the parking lot with your buddies. That will get you fired.
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Post by Jeffress77 on Dec 20, 2003 3:05:30 GMT -5
Here is my opinion. Would I rather get into trouble or risk my life? There is an old saying... I would rather be tried by twelve than carried by six. I don;t understand carrying a handgun if you aren't going to have it with you at all times. I carry everday at work and everywhere I go. I don't live in a crime environment, but a small quiet town, but this is no reason risk my life or the innocent lives of others, just because I am not prepared to protect myself
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Post by TA on Dec 20, 2003 17:31:09 GMT -5
There was a case a few years back at one of those school shootings. A Teacher had a handgun in his glove compartment and got close enough to the shooter to disarm him at gunpoint. A few lives saved there due to having a gun at work.
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Post by Data on Dec 22, 2003 16:16:09 GMT -5
Well here is ours:
Interesting enough, it doesnt define weather "property" includes parking areas. By strict definition it does, but often by "lay definition" parking lots are treated differently from the structural property. This is easily evidenced by state law here that while it prohibits from having weapons in school...its perfectly acceptable to have in your car on school ground while dropping off a child or picking up a child from school.
So what do you guys think?
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Post by tptplayer on Dec 22, 2003 16:39:22 GMT -5
IMHO what the law allows and what company policy allows are quite different. In a school parking lot the law allows it and there is no "company" policy. However, in this case the company could fire the person for carrying. You could fight it in court but the law is fairly free in allowing companies to set up their own policy. I think if caught, you would lose your job but not get arrested.
Notice that the law about schools says you must have a CCW but can't have the firearm concealed. With it concealed or without the CCW you can be arrested (in Florida). Not sure about the interaction of state and federal law in other states.
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Post by Data on Dec 23, 2003 9:54:42 GMT -5
In SC (and Ill have to verify, I read everything and printed and put it in my truck as an "aid" to help out with any potential disagreements with Leos).
Anyway, if your CCW you can drop off and pick up at schools but must keep it concealed at the time.
Makes no sense to require it to be visible while picking up and dropping off.
Its also totally legal to carry in your vehicle at any time concealed but I cant find anywhere to park that isnt company property....
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Post by tptplayer on Dec 23, 2003 14:10:12 GMT -5
I didn't make that last post clear. In a school zone it can't be concealed or visible, it must be "securely encased". In Florida that can be in the glove compartment or in an unlocked gun case loaded and ready to fire. In both of those instances it is as easy or easier to get to than concealed. However you must have a CCW to have it there in the 1st place. (Have a CCW, not concealed and not visible) So are the twists and turns of the law.
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Post by Jeffress77 on Dec 24, 2003 4:42:25 GMT -5
In Indiana, you can't have any firearm on any school property in any way. Well if that teacher didn't break the rules, then he wouldn't have stopped the tragedy when he did. Just because you will be terminated from a position for carrying your gun, does that mean that your job is worth more than your life? I don't think so. I would never put my job in the way of my existence. They can post all the rules and regulations they want. I wouldn't be there unless I had my gun with me. Like callahan and I both said "I would rather be tried by twelve then carried by six"
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